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Re: gate house?
Wed, August 12, 2009 - 6:43 PMempty and needing love and attention
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Re: gate house?
Wed, August 12, 2009 - 11:20 PMHey, this is Shelley. I use to kick it at Black Bear with a big black dog Liberty. I watched the gate house for your family for a winter. over the years I have gone back and visited it to help keep it going but I could n't stand some of the people living there and Monkey was gonna beat me up if I went there. It seemed pretty weird. When I would be alone at Black bear with some of the new people that lived there they would turn into really scary people. I felt they lied about me and said horrible things about me to the elders. The whole place is in need of much love but the last time I was there my daughter Harmony Rose had just turned one. Now she's almost 2 1/2. So hopefully things have gotten better. Many times I was scared I was gonna be beat up with my baby in my arms. It was really scary. You lived there with me for awhile, I'm like Miny Mouse. I hope it's gotten better. The river folk were even seemed scared to go there. It needs some posative check in with people that understand love & sharing. Maybe a man would be treated different. Hope all is well Blessed Be -
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Re: gate house?
Thu, August 13, 2009 - 10:28 AMUnfortunate that you had a bad experience when you were here before. I can personally assure you that the Bear neither advocates nor allows violence or the threat thereof, in any fashion. We are a small group of people currently living, caretaking and working on the ranch. We have a great social dynamic going on here with the basis being love and respect towards each other and the ranch itself. We are a friendly, hard-working group that has developed a peaceful and cooperative way to resolve whatever issues and/or personality conflicts which may arise from time to time. I'm not sure what constitutes "scary" to you but, I'm quite certain that nobody here is scary (other than me.....I'm a cantankerous old fart) but, my hearts always in the right spot. IIf you're into living communally, sharing, giving respect to the pace, pitchiing in with what needs to be done......then you'll never have a problemm with me! Hope you'll not let one bad experience taint your view of the ranch forever. It truly is a wonderful place and is on the turn around. Many people from the river area are enthusiastic about coming by to hang out with us more and more (they see a positive change) as well as past Bears returning more and more. Folks see the love and work going into the ranch for the first time in a long while and they want to be a part of it. ..........Thatch
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Re: gate house?
Sat, August 15, 2009 - 8:08 AMHey Shelly, wow so cool to hear from you. Yes I remember you, and your awesome piano playing. The bear is a ever changing place, and monkey is a syco so don't take it personal. I thought he was going to hit a few times. but I love ha monk. Things are better for me but it has been very strange. Hannah and I are no longer together she turned in my grow room and put me in jail for three months. but i'm better now.I miss the the bear and the gate house. I put so much work into the garden and the house. I dream of coming down and working on the gate house. I really loved the space from the hub. I have some pix of the gate when I first moved in.
Great to hear from you. Dakotta
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shelly!
Fri, August 21, 2009 - 10:36 AMi hope you will come to visit the river again someday soon! troll and i have a son now, he is 4 months old and we think of you when ever we head toward redding! we live in somes bar (below the forks road) and would love it if you were able to visit us! i am trying to attend women's gathering this weekend and looking for a ride still but i do hope you haven't given up on the ranch, it is everyone's ranch, not just those people who made you feel unwanted! we want you! hope life is treating you well, all our love pam troll and kopely -
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Re: shelly!
Mon, August 24, 2009 - 3:06 PMshelly! my name is jamie, im currently living at bbr, and plan on sticking around.. just wanted to let you know we'd love it if you came buy!!! always in the mood for visitors here!!! you are welcome any time! we love you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: gate house?
Mon, August 31, 2009 - 10:55 AMShelley, this is Kat and I would like to disagree with your interpretation of your past experience. You were asked to leave Black Bear by the residents and elders because of your denial to participate in the communal process. I think you did experience some social abuse and it was a very unhealthy time at the Bear, but your actions didn't help the Bear any either. You then threatened that you were trying to get the claim of the gate house and subvert the legacy of the gatehouse being held by elder bears. Thank goodness there is a communal process being formed at the Bear- and a solid visitor policy. Your accusations of Monkey are unfounded and last time you accused Allegra not Monkey of such threats (all lies I'm convinced). I told you to your face that I was not comfortable with your presence at the bear because of the following:
1. You refused to hear the requests of the residents of the Bear who didn't want you to leave your infant at the gatehouse alone because it made us uncomfortable. We also didn't want you at the gatehouse because it didn't give us the opportunity to interact with you and see if we were comfortable with your presence at the ranch.
2. We asked if you could watch your dogs because they continued to destroy people's personal property and you continued to leave them at the mainhouse, while you continued to go to the gatehouse, even though we asked you not to.
3. You refused to acknowledge the concern we felt over the way you were interacting with your infant in the mainhouse- screaming at your baby and waking everyone in the mainhouse.
Because of these factors you were asked to leave the Bear and you went to go work for Monkey and Allegra- who were trying to help you. Now you accuse them of violence, which nobody I have talked to believes. The final point I would like to bring up again is that you made continual threats to file for the claim of the gate house and take it over from the Bear. Because of all these factors you have proven to be a threat to the Bear and an unstable force that doesn't promote the communal spirit of the Bear. I'm not trying to attack you, but simply refreshing your memory because you seem to forget what happened. The Bear is doing really well right now, maybe the best it has in a long time and folks that love it are going to protect that place like mam hens from people who refuse to participate in the communal process. I hope you have found some peace, kat -
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Re: gate house?
Mon, August 31, 2009 - 3:40 PMHey Kat,
Listen to the tone of your post, why be so bitter ? People are trying to heal, that there can be redemption and everyone move on. It's not like YOU have not made any mistakes with your tendency to push your values on others under the guise of "bear values". How about your hypocricy of "no firearms at the bear, the bear isn't about that" come to find out you have your own firearm at the bear. You preach one thing with your mouth but do the opposite with your actions. You galvanize people to go against each other instead of finding ways for everyone to co-exist. You are as much a destablizing personality in group dynamics as anybody else. Then it takes a mature personality like Davey, Katie and others to repair what you had a hand in causing. You do have the skill of imposing your values on others in the guise of "bear values" or the group values. If others are willing to converse with Shelly and give her encouragement let them. You don't have to throw mistakes of the past into people's faces then have the gall to say "I'm not attacking you ".
People are understanding of YOUR faults and work with you so everyone can move forward. Why don't you extend that same understanding and tolerance towards others ? Nobody is perfect, everyone makes mistakes. After a time of recouperation people should be willing to at least on a small level, be willing to try again. Perhaps both sides have healed and grown enough that THIS time around things can work. Granted there are some extreme situations where it is a lost cause. For the vast majority though, a little bit of understanding, a little bit of forgiveness, a little bit of black bear ranch can become a whole lot of healing.
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Re: gate house?
Mon, August 31, 2009 - 9:46 PMenough of the mudslinging. Feel free to email whoever it is you have a problem with personally, but please keep it out of the community forum. The rest of us don't want to hear it, and this is precisely the reason that many no longer use tribe.
respectfully yours,
Ben -
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Re: gate house?
Mon, August 31, 2009 - 10:17 PMBen,
When someone (kat) goes on a multi paragraph, multi-point attack on someone else publicly that others are trying to help what then ? Just stay quiet and not address it publicly ? It feels wrong to just let that happen and not say anything. I've said my peace. I'll just withdraw and let it drop. -
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Re: gate house?
Tue, September 1, 2009 - 8:04 AMI agree with ben. When it is public we are forced to reply. There can be some challenges in the bear, it comes with the the " everybody's invited"
And it's hard to make it work. Many people have made threats to the bear and clearly it is protected. We are all trying to get off the horse of war.
We are all opening to the rhythms of next wave of living together. I would encourage everyone to ground and look for your inner peace and understanding of our own path. forever and only us. -
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Re: gate house?
Thu, September 3, 2009 - 5:15 PMWe were doing so good there for a while.....no airling of dirty laundry, mudslinging or hate & discontent. I'm glad it at least exists only on Tribe.....because we have NONE of that stuff going on here at the ranch. Things are peaceful, communal, congenial and for the most part...happy. Looks like cyberspace is the place to go to get "down in the dumps" and have problems. I concurr with Ben, however, since more than past bears and greater family bears read this stuff.........this is OUR open forum to the world...........what kind of message are we sending or what kind of picture are we painting for people that know absolutely nothing of the bear and then begin reading this mess. PLEASE keep your beefs private. Those of us living here at the ranch would sorely like to attract more people to come here to share and live with us...........Thatch -
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Re: gate house?
Tue, September 8, 2009 - 12:26 PMWell, thankyou everyone for the input. May you be surrounded in the light.
Love, Shelley -
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Re: gate house?
Wed, September 9, 2009 - 4:09 PMHey this is Shelley again. My cyber time was up but I had wanted to say Congradulations to Pam & Troll on their new son. All of you are so lucky to have eachother and I can't wait to meet the son of two wonderful outstanding people. I hope you get this message and if not maybe a friend could point it out to them. Thankyou and blessed be, Shelley
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